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Comment by Sharbano on May 26, 2010 at 12:25am

He was NOT Orthodox, nor were his parents. They were Reform Jews. His ancestors, on the other hand Were Orthodox. He seem to use the term Orthodox later on in order to give himself a greater credibility. Apparently, he decided to follow the ways of Paul. I remember hearing of the group in about the mid 70's. Just hearing the "name" of the group was enough to bring disgust.

As far as the Talmud; the Only people I've found to have issues with it are those who attempt to read it instead of learning it, which can only be done through a Rabbi. It was Never written to be read.

Penina is Correct, in that Xtianity has used their Own definitions of Hebrew in order to define Judaism in a Hellenistic way. The more I've read of Xtianity I have concluded it to be unlikely that those writers of the text could have been Jews. Considering the popularity of Judaism at the time, and the open conversion process, there were, no doubt, Many who had a basic understanding of some matters, but Not enough to fully understand all its details. We see the exact same thing with Mohammed, who had contacts with Jews and undoubtedly heard many stories from them. Obviously his memory wasn't so great to remember the details accurately, as characters he described are out of sync with the characters real lives. Xtianity, on the other hand, started with some spiritual roots and soon removed all those roots and became the Most primitive of all the previous versions. Rabbi Singer expounded on the vicarious atonement principle with great clarity. He didn't cover the primitive aspect or its history but nonetheless he showed how appealing it can be. I guess we can see how the appeal is so great by the mere fact of the Xtian devotion to this belief without any concern of its truth, any facts notwithstanding, as it were.

Comment by Mordechai Yaakov Allen on May 25, 2010 at 12:09am

Incredible!!

I mean, I know I came late to the dance (i.e. Judaism) and never had the chance (?) to, personally, hear the guy sing, but…OY VEY!! Moshe Rosen’s story is mind-boggling! From Orthodox Judaism to Christianity?! His biography should be titled From Frum to Doom in One Measly Lifetime.

B’emmes, I can’t bring myself to say nasty things about him, now that he’s truly g-o-n-e, because nothing vindictively wished for him can possibly compare to the realities justifiably enveloping him even as I write this?

I’m just now learning about Mr. Rosen, and recently read an article that stated, “Rosen was born into an Orthodox Jewish family but converted to Christianity with his wife in 1953 … He was ordained a Baptist minister in 1957”. The article went on to state, “But no matter what others said about him, Rosen never stopped calling himself Jewish.” I wonder why he thought that was important. The Washington Post quoted Mr. Rosen as saying, "You can say I'm a nuisance, a Christian, out of step with the Jewish community, but you can't say I'm not a Jew." Korach couldn’t have said it better.

I wish I could have spoken with Mr. Rosen. I would like to have asked him what, as an orthodox Jew, did he see and ultimately believe about the christian myth that I, as a born-again, evangelical christian , knew and ultimately rejected? In his tortured absence, I would like to ask that question of ANY orthodox Jew who, chas v’shalom, would see and believe the same things as Mr.Rosen. Please, enlighten me.

Sure, he had some trouble with the Talmud, which was offered as a reason of his capitulation. So what? Everybody has trouble with the Talmud. I can’t even read it in Hebrew! There are realities like that; observable, mysterious incomprehensible realities. Those with sight can discuss what blindness is like all they want, but they will never comprehend it. I know a blind man who once told me simply that being blind, “is like looking out the back of your head.” To this day I cannot grasp that. It is utterly incomprehensible! But, having questions about something that is ultimately incomprehensible, like Talmud, is no reason to buy into a rank myth, just because it is easier to read.

Incredible!

Comment by ellen on May 23, 2010 at 10:47pm

Happy Birthday, Jake!
Arafat's death was announced on my eldest son's birthday. So I can relate to your joy.

Comment by Jake Jacobs on May 23, 2010 at 10:04pm

Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is DEAD! Yes, we all agree -Jews and Messiantics- that Moish the used lemon car salesman is with jesus now!
I couldn't think of a happier birthday present that I received this year!

Comment by Jewish Israel on May 23, 2010 at 6:57pm

With regards to Yehoshua's comment:
Who are we to censor the Talmud?!

Comment by Jewish Israel on May 23, 2010 at 4:21pm

anybody know if he was from an Orthodox Jewish background or Reform? There are differing accounts

Comment by Yehoshua Friedman on May 23, 2010 at 12:39pm

I have no doubt that he has gone to be with Yoshke in boiling excrement. Praise the L-rd!

Comment by Penina Tal Ohr (Taylor) on May 23, 2010 at 1:09am

What's fascinating is that in typical fashion, even in his final parting words, Moishe has succeeded in contorting the Hebrew Scriptures. He says that being Jewish never saved anyone. But the word Salvation - yeshuah in Hebrew, has nothing to do with being absolved from the consequences of sin, as Christians would assert. The word "yeshuah" means a physical rescue from harm or oppression. It is a physical rescue, not a spiritual rescue, and yes, in direct opposition to what Moishe said, Judaism has resulted in a yeshuah for many Jewish people.